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but what would you say is the difference

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between having a preference for children

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versus having a preference for someone

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of the same sex let me qualify that just

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to be clear that I draw a huge

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distinction as everyone should between

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consenting adults consenting adults

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should be able to do whatever the hell

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they want government should be the hell

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out of the way whatever consenting

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adults want to do adult with child uh

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that is an absolute no-no clearly but as

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far as just the putting that aside in

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all the politics and in legality of that

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aside what is the difference in your

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view between preferring sex with a child

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versus preferring sex with someone of

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the same gender I do like to start

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conversations by you know pointing out

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that you know unless that we still need

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to draw the divide that for such a long

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time there was a stereotype of gay men

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you know praying our children that to

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point out that even when we're breathing

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the same two words in the same sentence

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you know that's not the the image that

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either of us is trying to guys trying to

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put forth agree just really it's

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whenever I discuss it it's these are

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just the two major Department departures

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from typical male sexual interest

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patterns that are under discussion so

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really you know just sexual minorities

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you know some can be enacted in a

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perfectly healthy way others you know

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not so much oh there's not at all and by

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the way doctor I would I'd be happy to

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throw other things in there I'm curious

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if you would also but interest in having

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sex with two people at the same time

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interest in having well I mean interest

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in anal sex versus vaginal sex

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role-playing

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S&M right I mean there's all kinds of

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sexual preferences and so should they

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all be lumped together or not and in

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particular though speaking about

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pedophilia in homosexual

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in some for some situations yeah that

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can reasonably be lumped together and in

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other situations there's something

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unique about one or more of them where

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it can't be so easily lumped together

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with the others for example some

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fantasies can be acted out with other

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people other fantasies you know can't be

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can't be acted out without the potential

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to harm somebody else and others you

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know are just people who for example

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want to transform into another species

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it's simply not possible thinking only

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but as far as what it is in what causes

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this people in people to have these

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different preferences what's the answer

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to that if I ever you know produce

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something new and big in the rest of my

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career that's the question I hope to

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that did I I'm calling it the grand

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unified theory of the great of the

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sexual interest patterns now it's been

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pretty well set that Homo Sapien though

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homosexuality homosexuality and the

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paraphilias the the other atypical

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sexualities PC even though they are

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different departures from typical they

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seem to be related to completely

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different mechanisms in the brain they

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don't seem to be related to each other

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in in any way in any meaningful or any

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direct way

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for example homosexuality really seems

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to be related to the masculinization of

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the brain in in utero all fetuses begin

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as female either X X chromosome or X Y

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chromosome the first couple of weeks of

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gestation all fetuses are female towards

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the end of the first trimester II and

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ended a eight to ten weeks ish is when

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testosterone kicks in different proteins

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start getting produced from the Y

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chromosome and as a chain reaction

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that's when the fetus if it's male

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starts to masculine eyes there's

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evidence to suggest that the thing that

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results at least in male homosexuality

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is something interferes with the

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masculinization process so that

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doesn't mass given an eyes quite as much

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as it otherwise would and one of those

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those under or less masculinization

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things as the flip it being to being

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attracted to women

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instead of being attracted to men as I

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said you know fetuses start as female

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testosterone kicks in early and they

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brain develops in such a way to be

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attracted to female that switch doesn't

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seem to happen in homosexuality and

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other switches that go along are the you

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know and they're a bit of a bit of a

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stereotype of the survey have to survey

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there actually is true that gay men are

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you know more effeminate more

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comfortable with a greater proportion of

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feminine behaviors in interest than that

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then heterosexual men are what do you

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say though to twin studies when it

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pertains to this theory because correct

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me if I'm wrong there's lots of twin

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studies where simply because one

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identical twin is gay it doesn't mean

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the other one is in fact I think more

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often not the other one is not and then

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same with transgender so how would you

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explain that if you're saying this is

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happening in utero what happens it's a

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more or less and more or less

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probability game now even though it is

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possible and even probable that the

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second twin will be heterosexual the

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probability of the other twin being

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homosexual is many times larger than it

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would otherwise be for example in just a

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regular everyday male birth the base

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rate of homosexuality is somewhere about

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2 or 3 percent if someone has a case

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simply especially a gay twin then the

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other one is closer to 10 to 12 percent

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likely to be homosexual so that's still

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close to 90 percent probability of being

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heterosexual but it's also three to four

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times elevated more likely to be

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homosexual so it is if you are exactly

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correct it's not an old all-or-none it

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is a young relatively subtle biological

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effect because many many many many

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different factors go into development if

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only you know a handful of them are

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different the others are still in play

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so what would the post natal causes be

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there's no evidence at least in male

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homosexuality there's no evidence to

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suggest that there are any postnatal

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influences so what would cause one in

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your scenario of these identical twins

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where you're saying it happens via

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hormones in utero why would one turn out

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straight in the other one gay usually

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don't share an amniotic sac for example

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there are both identical twins and there

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those twins they can both be in the same

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amniotic sac being being fed the same

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amniotic fluid or they can have

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independent sacs so they're developing

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in a different set of amniotic fluid the

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other thing that makes twins different

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amniotic sac one is actually closer to

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where the umbilical cord projects into

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it and therefore it gets first crack at

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all of the all of the nutrition and that

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twins even though they might be

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now speaking of politics do you speaking

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honestly have any political motivation

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to say that it happens prior to birth

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and therefore you're born this way and

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therefore society should be more

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whether it's biological or not it

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doesn't matter okay I hundred percent

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agree with that I'm glad that glad that

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you said that because exactly whatever

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the cause is there's zero reason for

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society not to be accepting of this but

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I do think that there for this part be

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just because something is biological

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doesn't mean that it's there's no

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shortage number of biological diseases

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so saying that something is biological

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we do not automatically therefore

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declare AHA it's normal and but we're

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well aware though that there's a big

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political movement out there of born

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this way and that politically correct

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people when it comes to the issue of

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homosexuality want to say that you're

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born this way that way there's no

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treatment for it

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there's it's perfectly normal perfectly

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natural and I think it causes people to

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naturally push aside other evidence the

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Nicolosi folks and I gotta say that

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based on I'm no doctor I am a lawyer

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though so I look at things logically and

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it seems to me there is a lot of logic

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associated with the idea that the things

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that can happen in very early childhood

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brain as you all know is developing in

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utero and post utero the brain is

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continuing to develop until your item 20

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years old or what have you so major

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major brain development is happening at

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a very young age one week old one month

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old one year old and that brain is still

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forming and connections are still

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happening and those connections can get

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effed up by various traumas that can

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cause all kinds of things

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forget homosexuality being one potential

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under this theory but all kinds of other

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things perhaps pedophilia which you know

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I do want to get to more but do you

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reject that as a potential cause of

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homosexuality as a potential yes I'm

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just noting noticing that in that line

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of logic they were I counted I think at

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least six steps for which there exists

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absolutely no evidence and for which all

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you said well this could be and if this

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is true and if this is true and if if as

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I say I think there were six steps there

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is no evidence for any of those steps

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despite all of the claims of their being

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changed nobody has ever demonstrated it

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in any objective way despite the claims

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that in theory this thing kind of thing

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could be shown in the brain nobody's

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shown the stack of brain scans for it to

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happen so could it could it could it

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could it yeah I'm sure